tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post1431409340649875857..comments2024-02-23T05:17:08.682-05:00Comments on The Film Freak Central Blog: True Blood on the TowelheadBill Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14011398543859221282noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-67551895591090636572009-02-21T21:00:00.000-05:002009-02-21T21:00:00.000-05:00Interesting discussion. But to go back to the orig...Interesting discussion. But to go back to the original review - <BR/><BR/>I didn't think that the bloody tampon shot was that important in the film. Regardless, tampons can be interesting! Especially at 13.<BR/><BR/>And I'd just quickly like to voice dissent re: bodily functions. Menstraution is an important aspect of sexuality. Nothing is Private nicely contrasted Jazira's first experience of stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05424768315939990671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-44192571228746036612009-02-06T22:00:00.000-05:002009-02-06T22:00:00.000-05:00i doubt anyone's still checking in with this discu...i doubt anyone's still checking in with this discussion since the original post was a month ago (bill, you might want to consider changing the comments section so that the date is displayed along with the time which would let latecomers like me know whether or not a discussion is still active) but thought i'd just let you all know that for whatever reason this whole back and forth has cheered me Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-27386192356302288832009-01-14T06:14:00.000-05:002009-01-14T06:14:00.000-05:00I still think the idea that female sexuality shoul...<I>I still think the idea that female sexuality should be stripped of value is far too radical and you haven't really completely thought out of the ramnifications. (You say girls should be free to do what they want? Well, what the fuck do they want? How do they even begin to decide?)</I><BR/><BR/>Alex, can girls only decide whether they want sex by determining what the possible sexual encounter O'JohnLandishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15560571840235787129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-32955415077103296282009-01-14T01:31:00.000-05:002009-01-14T01:31:00.000-05:00Alex, I think you got yourself into trouble when y...<I>Alex, I think you got yourself into trouble when you said that without female sexuality having some special value, sexuality would have no meaning, presumably due to a lack of comparison or traditional roles. Remember that this started when you said that more female modesty and value would be an improvement, presumably because girls today aren't valuing their sexuality as much as they ought toAlex Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13028946403342782184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-5036093557513313432009-01-13T18:47:00.000-05:002009-01-13T18:47:00.000-05:00Bemis:To be fair, it's difficult for me to make a ...Bemis:<BR/><BR/>To be fair, it's difficult for me to make a correct assumption. First it's "undergrad feminist" thought that made you furious, then it's "undergrad[s]... superficial, reactionary" thought you hated, "regardless of ideology." Either feminism has stopped being an ideology since last I checked, or you just revised your statement.<BR/><BR/>My point was simply that not fitting the "Rachel Andelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024141014615333490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-39687908147965113782009-01-13T16:22:00.000-05:002009-01-13T16:22:00.000-05:00Well, O'J, I don't think I really equated anything...Well, O'J, I don't think I really equated anything, as you can see. It's a pattern (I was gonna say "It's interesting," but it's really not) -- your need to push all the terms of a discussion into dualism. Correct/incorrect, synonymous/antonymous, sexual/bodily (still don't see that separating out in any way), great/not great. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I don't have any use for some amorphous metaphysicalBrendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01483536218208607543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-14824360573227373102009-01-13T16:07:00.000-05:002009-01-13T16:07:00.000-05:00Just read that last part after posting, which make...Just read that last part after posting, which makes more sense of the store-looting business (which read like it was addressed to me, but, I think, wasn't). If that's the case, whoops.Andrew Bemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06097037829531087694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-85395466463258882562009-01-13T16:06:00.000-05:002009-01-13T16:06:00.000-05:00Rachel: You're making a lot of incorrect assumptio...Rachel: You're making a lot of incorrect assumptions. Rather than boring those reading with a comprehensive list, I'll simply say that a female-directed Straw Dogs would be fascinating. And I'm not dismissing all female perspectives on the male psyche, I'm being dismissive of undergrads and superficial, reactionary thinking, regardless of ideology. <BR/><BR/>Not sure what the store-looting Andrew Bemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06097037829531087694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-61836972628121888542009-01-13T15:55:00.000-05:002009-01-13T15:55:00.000-05:00Of course, that John continues to call this an arg...Of course, that John continues to call this an argument, and admits to not seeing any point in discussion unless he can Change My Mind, proves that he really can't fucking read a word I write.Rachel Andelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024141014615333490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-76714942693844946262009-01-13T15:12:00.000-05:002009-01-13T15:12:00.000-05:00First: BDSM/humiliation/roleplaying, all that stuf...First: BDSM/humiliation/roleplaying, all that stuff is not recontextualization. It's regurgitation. <BR/><BR/>Second: Bemis, you do realize that if you say men are inherently evil while having a vagina, you're a feather-brained feminist undergrad, while if you're say men are inherently evil while owning a dick you're Sam Peckinpah and <A HREF="http://filmfreakcentral.net/dvdreviews/strawdogs.htmRachel Andelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024141014615333490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-53195314153143176092009-01-13T10:00:00.000-05:002009-01-13T10:00:00.000-05:00Forms of sexual expression that negate or recontex...Forms of sexual expression that negate or recontextualize the importance of dominance:<BR/><BR/>- same-sex relationships (where dom/sub roles evolve from experience rather than gender)<BR/>- polyamory (which, when functional, tends to operate like a mini-democracy)<BR/>- BDSM/humiliation/roleplaying (the theatricality of which - safe words, etc. - is divorced from conventional dom/sub roles)<BR/>Andrew Bemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06097037829531087694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-86447321870031424432009-01-13T09:07:00.000-05:002009-01-13T09:07:00.000-05:00Meanwhile, keep the suggestions coming. How about...Meanwhile, keep the suggestions coming. How about the "B story" question?<BR/><BR/>And thanks for mentioning White Dog. I really need to watch more Fuller.O'JohnLandishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15560571840235787129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-58499176874049186742009-01-13T09:02:00.000-05:002009-01-13T09:02:00.000-05:00B, I don't know what it says about you that you eq...B, I don't know what it says about you that you equated sperm production with menstruation instead of with egg production. That's just weird. Still, I don't think sexuality is just coitus and I think I made that pretty clear. Of course sperm production is an aspect of sexuality in many cases, but if a man is in a coma, he still produces sperm. Is that sperm an aspect of his sexuality? Does O'JohnLandishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15560571840235787129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-45593596069081309222009-01-12T18:36:00.000-05:002009-01-12T18:36:00.000-05:00But what else is sexuality then if it's not a bodi...But what else is sexuality then if it's not a bodily function? I don't think I believe in a metaphysical sexuality, except as a higher brain function that still ultimately serves the reptilian brain's prime directive: be fruitful and multiply.<BR/><BR/>Society as a universal yardstick doesn't work, because society is not universal or a yardstick. Can it really be said that American society is Brendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01483536218208607543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-76311675689790945242009-01-12T14:53:00.000-05:002009-01-12T14:53:00.000-05:00but then there's another where if they are really ...<I>but then there's another where if they are really different they cannot really be measured with the same yardstick. </I> <BR/><BR/>The fact is that there is only ever one yardstick. It's called society. So suck it up and say you think they're unequal already, jeez.<BR/><BR/>The real question is if you, John, Walter, anybody can imagine pleasure meaningfully separate from the act of domination.Rachel Andelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024141014615333490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-27854487488480438082009-01-12T14:07:00.000-05:002009-01-12T14:07:00.000-05:00It is a function of the body.Ah, but if it were on...<I>It is a function of the body.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, but if it were only that, wouldn't people feel silly about their desire to expound on it endlessly, endlessly, endlessly.<BR/><BR/>In any case, John expresses the desire to dismantle the value of "sexuality," the current primary mechanism by which dominance is practiced and oppression is endured. Okay. However, by failing to address the urge to Rachel Andelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024141014615333490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-48564638823453992782009-01-12T13:41:00.000-05:002009-01-12T13:41:00.000-05:00The same kind of value? I'll have to mull that ove...<I>The same kind of value? I'll have to mull that over.<BR/><BR/>Basically, Alex, if you thought men and women had the same value, you wouldn't have written that line.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, yes obviously. The problem for me is that I'm not sure if different values mean unequal values. There's a sense in which of course if it's different than it's unequal, but then there's another where if they are Alex Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13028946403342782184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-37236698881490198392009-01-12T13:32:00.000-05:002009-01-12T13:32:00.000-05:00I'm definitely down with that (SULLIVAN'S), though...I'm definitely down with that (SULLIVAN'S), though I know some people find it a little cloying.Bill Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14011398543859221282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-64081382479677056562009-01-12T13:04:00.000-05:002009-01-12T13:04:00.000-05:00how about preston sturges' "sullivans travels" as ...how about preston sturges' "sullivans travels" as a great message movie?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-43077521323548209002009-01-12T08:08:00.000-05:002009-01-12T08:08:00.000-05:00"Sexuality" is a "body function." It is a function..."Sexuality" is a "body function." It is a function of the body. They are not "synonymous." One contains the other. And menstruation is of course part of sexuality, in the same way that sperm production is part of sexuality. Does it really need to be said? I guess so: There's more to "sexuality" than coitus. This is like 5th grade health class level stuff, dude.Brendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01483536218208607543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-9202874192214408342009-01-12T07:04:00.000-05:002009-01-12T07:04:00.000-05:00That's why John doesn't think menstruation is part...<I>That's why John doesn't think menstruation is part of female sexuality. He doesn't have any interest in controlling it.</I><BR/><BR/>Control menstruation? As a practical issue, I'd have to say it'd be one of the most useful female functions (or aspects of sexuality, if you must) to control--mostly because I don't like children. <BR/><BR/>-----------<BR/><BR/>The language in this discussion O'JohnLandishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15560571840235787129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-32282838133935093612009-01-11T19:32:00.000-05:002009-01-11T19:32:00.000-05:00The same kind of value? I'll have to mull that ove...<I>The same kind of value? I'll have to mull that over.</I><BR/><BR/>Basically, Alex, if you thought men and women had the same value, you wouldn't have written that line. Any code of modesty that differentiates between men and women at every economic level upholds that gender is the defining marker of status in a society, and that the two gender-constructs we're familiar with are fundamentally Rachel Andelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09024141014615333490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-91402536968662468512009-01-11T17:15:00.001-05:002009-01-11T17:15:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alex Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13028946403342782184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-91072944126297581402009-01-11T17:15:00.000-05:002009-01-11T17:15:00.000-05:00Yeah, I know. I actually acquired a cold which tu...Yeah, I know. I actually acquired a cold which turned into bronchitis which gave me some fairly crippling lower back pain for about a day. So I've been off-line. <BR/><BR/>John's complaint about that one line did give me pause. I'm a little baffled about the idea that female sexuality should have no value meaning "relative worth, merit, or importance". Should it be of no worth, merit, or Alex Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13028946403342782184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9668842.post-60152285553022306152009-01-11T11:24:00.000-05:002009-01-11T11:24:00.000-05:00Geez, you'd think Alex would have responded by now...Geez, you'd think Alex would have responded by now. Is he okay?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com